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#18 What is it about women who steal
husbands? / Cheating reveals unacknowledged intention of "victim". |
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Dear Pru: What is it with women and married men? If he’s married, he’s not available. Now if a married man says, "We are divorcing, but the final documents haven’t been signed," that’s different. However, do your homework ladies. Go to the courthouse and make sure. Bottom line: Leave married men alone. This way, we married women won’t have to worry about our cheating husbands because they will have no one to cheat with. Somebody’s Wife Dear Some: All that needs to happen for your plan to work is that the entire female population consistently resist the urge to play in someone else’s yard. Your utopian guidelines, alas, have no connection to reality. If the girlfriend of every married man who claimed to be separated actually went to the courthouse to check the documents, there would be no room for the judges, bailiffs, litigants, clerks or lawyers. — Prudie, practically Gabby's Reply [ top ]
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Gabby's Reply:
Here are two replies: Reply #1Hi Some: Your question is rhetorical (you ask but don't expect/want a useful answer, in fact you already have your answer and you won't like either of these replies). Your letter reveals that you are still in upset about a specific incident for which you have yet to tell the truth about your cause in the matter, and, that you're not ready to address your addiction to blaming. Your letter did not serve as a completion for you; that is to say, after writing it you were still stuck blaming other women. It triggered uncomplimentary thoughts by readers about you. You assign blame for cheating upon the "other" woman. Taking sides doesn't work, it reveals your ignorance about responsibility and that you have an incomplete relationship from the past. I have never come across a woman, who, after the anger subsided, could not/would not, with a bit of coaching, acknowledged her cause of the cheating, of how she caused (unconsciously intended) her husband to cheat on her. She is able to see that however unconscious she may have been at the start she did in fact mastermind the whole enchilada, partly to discover what’s so about responsibility. Cause is most always hidden from someone addicted to blame, to making others wrong, like an unacknowledged alcoholic, they simply have no choice. Now reread the above paragraph and replace the word man for woman. "I have never come across a man . . ." What's also true is that in situations in which either partner is stuck playing victim (complaining about their partner cheating on them), again, with coaching, each are able to acknowledged that they drove their partner into another's arms. Victims are usually unaware of doing it until afterwards. Once a former "victim" accepts responsibility for having caused an incident they transform themselves from victim to cause, to being whole and complete. Thereafter, for life, they have no need for another cheating incident. Your communication reveals that you are ripe for your husband to cheat on you so that you can have the realization that it was you who drove him into the arms of another. How you communicate determines whether or not your husband is open and honest with you. If he knows, from previous conversations, that you get angry when he mentions how pretty another woman is, then you have trained him to not share such thoughts. Thoughts suppressed sometimes grow. They sometimes become fantasies. Depending upon your intention (albeit, unconscious) sometimes they are manifested in reality. It’s always your script. The way to discover what your intentions are/have been, is to look at the results. Just because you are unaware of your intentions, or lie about them, doesn’t make them any-the-less yours. A person, consciously or unconsciously, sets it up to be approached (seduced). Conversely, a person on-purpose with life and his/her primary relationship, communicates just that. It's simply unthinkable to approach a person of integrity who is in a committed relationship, such is the sanctity, the purposefulness of their commitment. A woman whose karma is such that she has no need for deceptions, or lies, or withholds, doesn't attract partners who do. Only cons who are unaware of their cons attract cons. In our support groups we have an agreement, to ask, up front, "Is there anyone who would be upset if they knew you were thinking of dating me?" The question is so right-on that an asker, whose integrity is in, one who keeps agreements and tells the truth, can experience a lie (in gambling jargon it's called a "tell"). Someone addicted to lying cannot always tell when another is lying. They simply can't hear it. Put another way, in a relationship in which there is open, honest, and spontaneous communication, zero withholds, any withhold becomes so obvious that it’s as a "mote in thine eye." It begs clearing, else, communication breaks down, and the withhold manifests itself as an argument with inappropriate anger (abuse) that is not acknowledged cleaned up before bedtime. Millions and millions of romantic newlyweds make an agreement with each other, to never go to sleep upset, or with a withhold or an unacknowledged perpetration in the space. Yet all, yes all, divorced couples broke that agreement, after which the relationship never recovered. Re: "Now if a married man says, 'We are divorcing, but the final documents haven’t been signed,' that’s different." Not so. Both married partners must agree, (that they support the other in having sex with others before the divorce is final) else it's a unilateral broken agreement (marriage vow). To have outside sex without your spouse's support is an abusive nonverbal communication. It would be an ultimatum, "Because we are divorcing, I'm going to have sex with another even though I know it will upset you, and, you have no choice in the matter." In this case, if the "other" male/female operated from integrity he/she would communicate, "Just so I'm clear, if I called your spouse, he/she would say they support us in having sex even though the divorce is not final?"
In truth, a person of integrity
doesn't attract dates who are in the process of divorcing. The reason?
Thereafter they could never be certain if it wasn't their intention for
another's marriage to fail so that they could get what they wanted. Such
actions have a tendency to come around karmically. The words, "I'm in
the middle of a divorce" should be gotten as a consideration, not an
invitation. One option is for you to take it as an invitation (an
unconscious cry for help) to mediate/intervene so both are divorcing harmoniously
and that their partner supports you in having their ex. It takes
considerable communication skills for all three to pull off such
result. Most in the middle of a divorce are stuck in blame (lying) and
can't be trusted to know/tell the truth.
BTW: If someone is hitting on your
husband a good place to start is to look and see what you are withholding.
You are withholding a thought, a perpetration, or an acknowledgment from
him. There are no exceptions to this fundamental communication principle.
Reply #2 You write, "If
he’s married, he’s not available. " This is true in some realities.
However it's not true for a couple in which there is/has been extramarital sex,
in which case both partners are behaving consistent with the stated and
implied agreements of their specific marriage. (read
Creating a Marriage Vow that Precludes Cheating,) Let me be specific. If cheating has
taken place there is an unacknowledged implied agreement that cheating is
acceptable.
We know so by the results, by the way they have communicated with each
other. By omission (in their
vows) they consciously/unconsciously allowed for the possibility. It could be said
that cheating is a consequence of their sneakiness and of their
arrogance. To think that you won't eventually drive your spouse away is
arrogant. To think that you have the wisdom to choose an honest
agreement-keeping spouse is arrogant. To think that you're smarter, more
capable, committed or skilled, than the millions upon millions of
others who have divorced is
arrogant. To think that your relationship is somehow more unique and
better than all those who have divorced, is arrogant. To think
that a prenuptial agreement won't serve you both is arrogant. Arrogance
begs to be humbled. An example of an
implied agreement between married couples is the agreement to return home each time you leave the
house. It's never stated, it's simply understood. Don't show up until
the next morning and you've got some serious explaining to do. Another example of an implied agreement is
that it's ok
for you to cheat, "I'll be upset but most likely I will forgive you and
you'll be able to remain married to me." We know most married couples
have this agreement
based upon the results. A partner who won't allow cheating communicates
so clearly up front. A test
of a well crafted (and responsibly communicated) agreement, in this case a marriage vow (not what most
people call a marriage vow), is the results. If "cheating" is taking
place both are mirroring the omission of a "fidelity" phrase (agreement)
in their vows. In all such cases the omission is an unconscious
"forgetting" so as to allow the possibility, so as to have the option to
cheat. Wedding vows have not had fidelity statements for centuries. It's omitted/forgotten using
the concept of "trust" as the reason. Note: In the
enlightenment game one discovers that it is unethical to trust another,
to do so is a setup, to make another wrong. What's so is people can be
trusted to keep agreements as long as it works for them to do so. Many clergy members do an injustice
when
counseling engaged couples. Here's an example of responsible counseling: Clergy member: I know that
there is trust in your relationship and that you both sincerely believe that you will not cheat on each other,
however, I've seen far too many marriages dissolve due to cheating, all
of whom sat before me with the same beliefs as you have now. I recommend
that you include a fidelity phrase in your vows. In truth the phrase is
a, "no cheating and it's consequences" clause; in this way you are
acknowledging the possibility of ignorance and self-righteousness. You
will in fact be allowing millions who have divorced to make a
contribution to your marriage, most of whom "knew/believed" cheating would not
be a problem. The clause goes something like this; "I agree to be
faithful or else this marriage will be automatically annulled and I will relinquish all claims to possessions, alimony, and
to custody of the children." Such a clause can preclude cheating as one
of your problems. It could save you both considerable legal fees.
The annulment would not be a divorce because you've clearly defined that your
definition of marriage includes
fidelity. I also recommend a prenuptial agreement. I don't want to hear
about you two battling in courts over possessions. I'll only mediate
a married couple's dispute if the couple have signed a prenuptial agreement, or
an agreement in which both partners agree to
split everything equally to mutual satisfaction. Conversely, proof of a poorly crafted
wedding vow is a marriage wrought with unwanted problems, to include
cheating, arguing, and in-law problems. Most unwanted
problems are consequences of earlier (mostly childhood) unacknowledged perpetrations
(lies/deceits). Couples who vow "till death do us part" and later
divorce, reap the consequence of that unconscious lie each and every day
of their marriage. A truthful vow would be, "I'll stay married as long
as it's working for me." A lie believed to be the truth does not make it
the truth. For example:
A parent who tells their child I'll pick you up at 3:00 pm and
doesn't, lied. The lie needs to be acknowledge, to oneself, and the
child. "I get that I lied." Unbeknownst to a
cheater or a "victim" both are living appropriate to the agreements
(both expressed and implied). In other words, without a fidelity phrase
in the marriage vow, the implied agreement is
that it's OK to cheat, and if you do there is a possibility that you
will be "forgiven" and allowed to stay married to me. Because all
couples know about the phenomenon of cheating and yet few insist upon a
fidelity phrase, all unconsciously allow for (the correct word is
intend—create space for—based upon the results) the possibility. Take for example the
agreement to not kill others. It's written as a law and the consequences are
clear. If you kill someone while married to me, I will still love you
but you must go to jail, which gives me the option of divorcing you. In
other words, killing is a game neither of us will tolerate. Cheating
on the other hand is a game with which we simply aren't willing to lay
down the law because we unconsciously want the option and we're willing
to take the risks. We believe that we can do so and then con our partner into
forgiving us with no serious consequence. We also envision (albeit again
unconsciously) the awesome lifetime power of magnanimously forgiving our
partner for cheating. So,,, my answer
is: If your partner has been seeing another or others you did not make it
clear, up front, that you will not tolerate cheating; you did not
have them agree to the consequences. Consequently, your partner is living
consistent with your nonverbal communication—that though you won't like
it there is a very real possibility that you will forgive them.
You were in fact afraid to lay down the law up front, for fear of
upsetting/losing them. This fear bred disrespect. It could be said
that you are reaping the consequences of your own sneakiness. Creating
space for such a perpetration (it's called setting it up for them to
cheat) so that you can hold it (being better than, more trustworthy
than, more loving than) over them for life is unethical. One would think twice about cheating if
they knew that it would instantly automatically (incontestably) annul
the marriage and that they'd forfeit all claims to possessions, to include
finding another place to stay that night. Cheating would be a
communication, "I no longer intend to be married to you. Do not give me
a second chance no matter what I say or promise." Note: A couple
may agree to remarry but they must first completely divorce, complete 25
hours (individually and then as a couple 25-hours of therapy/counseling),
and then create new
clear agreements.
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