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#19 Should I confront wife's adultery partner? / Co-conspirator
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Dear Ann Landers: I am 62 years old, and my wife, "Emily," is 60. We have been married for 35 years and have two children, several grandchildren and a good, solid family life together. A few weeks ago, Emily confessed that she had a seven year affair during our marriage. The affair ended 25 years ago. This surprised and hurt me deeply. I love my wife and family, and I know she loves me. Emily has always been a wonderful wife and mother. Everyone who knows her respects and admires her. She made a mistake. When she asked me to forgive her, I did so without hesitation. Here is the problem. I know who her lover was. I found out where he lives, and I want to confront him, not physically, just by telephone. No man should get away with this kind of adulterous behavior and not pay a price. He had a family, too, and he knew she was married. Both of them were equally to blame. Emily has paid her price, and now I am paying, too, but his guy has had a free ride. I am not a vindictive person, and have no interest in telling his wife what I know. But I would like to let him know if he goes to hell, I hope he has a good trip. Should I? HURTING IN N.J. Dear Hurting: The affair ended 25 years ago? I am at a loss to understand why your wife decided, after all these years to make a confession. My advice is to let it go. I see no good purpose being served by opening this old wound again. It would only result in more embarrassment and pain. Nothing positive would be accomplished. —ANN LANDERS
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Gabby’s Response Hi Hurting: What a great opportunity to rise above being a victim. Sure you could confront the guy but most likely it would result in acrimonious exchanges. A blaming communication usually triggers upset, defensiveness, explanations, and justifications. It would take intention, on your part, to effect a mutually satisfying exchange. No one buys that you are not coming from make-wrong and vindictiveness so the outcome would not be mutually satisfying. Let's look at it
from an entirely different awesomely challenging viewpoint. Let's just
say that unbeknownst to you that
it's
you who doesn't want to "get away with" what you did.
Would you be willing to look and see that you drove your wife into the
arms of another man? Your letter reveals that you are unaware of the
consequences (possibly even more to come*) for having done that. It will take considerable courage to
acknowledge that the whole
game has been masterminded by you. The poor guy was just a pawn in your
drama en route to enlightenment. Depending upon how powerful you are willing to be, it could be
said that you (albeit unconsciously) intended for her to seduce him, and to deceive you, for seven
years, to get to this point. Perhaps it's all been about your willingness to acknowledge and let go of your self-righteousness? For certain it's been about you discovering that what you thought
was communication was not (read about
breakdowns
in communication). If you were unconscious back then and didn't know
it, could you still be unconscious? Using communication coaching jargon we say that
you have mastered talking; what's next is to begin the
communication mastery curriculum. I do get "solid," as in fixed, ridged, unchanging,
and set in ways and opinions. You say you forgive her. I don't get it.
Forgiveness is a responsible (from cause) communication to oneself. In the enlightenment game it's
a null communication to forgive someone for
something you manipulated them into doing. Keep in mind, deceivers always
attract and hang
around deceivers; there are no exceptions to this phenomenon. What have you been hiding from her, perhaps even from yourself? I
suspect it's the you in him that wants to get caught. Use
Reunion Conversations to trigger
memories of teen perpetrations. Continuing with this
other
point of view: If I now gave you the task, "Do whatever it takes to drive
your wife into another's arms, but do it so she doesn't know you're doing
it" you'd have to look back and see just what you did/did not do
(mostly non-verbal), and do it
all over again, only this time you'd do it consciously. Just because you produced
a result unconsciously doesn't mean you didn't produce it. In a relationship in which there is an experience of communication
(open, honest, and spontaneous, zero withholds) it is
virtually impossible for one partner to have attraction-thoughts about another except that those
thoughts are shared openly and therefore nipped in the bud. That there was deception in your
relationship for seven years merely indicates how unconscious you were. You
became solidly stuck in talking, doing your
imitation of communication. If you look into your
experience (of life's perpetrations) you know that he has paid and quite possibly is still paying.
If he hasn't told his wife, then happiness is still eluding him. There can
be no experience of communication (love) if a relationship contains
deceit. Concept of love yes, experience of love no. The test? Lots of
giggling, laughter, teary-eyed joy, amazement, compassion, and profound
appreciation of life throughout each day; and, the lives of your close friends are working
equally as well (it's truly contagious). Responsibility and compassion is what's called
for.
* I say more to come because
even now you and your wife are not in communication with each other.
You both are as unconscious as before—you are being deceptive, hiding thoughts from
her—even now she's unaware that you are contemplating confronting her former
lover; she's not aware that you're dragging around thoughts of resentment
and revenge into each present-day conversation with her and, everyone
else. Relationship Tip: In a committed relationship it works to communicate, if not up front,
then right now today, "Can we
agree that cheating is tantamount to effecting a divorce? I will not grant
a second chance on this issue. Is this absolutely clear?" If they
sense you are lying, that you will not effect an immediate divorce,
they'll unconsciously lose some respect for you. In other words, if you lie to them, (if you don't really
mean that you will divorce them) you will discover your lie. To not
communicate clearly like this communicates (implies) that you will
tolerate and "forgive" cheating. It also implies that you reserve the
option to cheat and that you assume they will give you a second chance.
This unconscious implied reserved option is why most people don't include the consequences of
cheating in their
marriage vows.
Here's what I recommend
be included in a marriage vow: "A measure of my commitment to
you is to be faithful. To be unfaithful would immediately annul this
marriage and forfeit my right to sue for children, alimony, or jointly
held possessions." For more
about this read,
Creating a marriage vow that precludes cheating). Reply from No Name: Dear Gabby: MY WIFE IS CHEATING ON ME AND SHE FELL IN LOVE WITH
THIS MAN SO SHE SAYS ..SHE SAID I WAS NOT THERE FOR TWO YEARS FOR HER SO
SHE WENT RUNNING WE ARE STILL MARRIED SHE SAYS SHE WANTS TO WORK ARE
MARIAGE OUT BUT SHE STILL TALKS TO HIM HE LIVES IN ANOTHER STATE SHE HAS
GONE AND SEEN HIM ..HE BAUGHT HER A RING ALSO ..I DO LOVE MY WIFE VERY MUCH WE HAVE THREE CHILDREN TOGETHER ..
WHEN I SAY ANTHING ABOUT IT SHE SAYS IM BEING PUSHY AND NOT UNDERSTANDING
WHAT SHES GOING THRU ..SHE SAYS SHE LOVES US BOTH AND SHE SAYS SHE KNOWS
THIS HAS TO END WITH HIM THEY TALK ON CHAT ALL THE TIME ALSO ...WHAT DO I
DO IM SCARED FOR ME AND MY CHILDREN Gabby's Response: Hi No name: Thank you for posting and for reaching out. My reply won’t feel good
nevertheless it is part of what you need to hear in support of completing
this relationship. First, you need some counseling very quickly. You are teaching your
children how to intend and put up with abuse and cheating. Don't be
mislead; this problem has nothing to do with your wife. This stuff is a
by-product of the leadership-communication skills you brought
into the marriage. Re: “My wife is cheating on me.” It should read, "She was
cheating and now is seeing another openly." And, yours is a victim
statement. In order for you to complete what’s happening you’ll have to be
willing to describe your cause in the matter, else you’ll drag your poor-me
story to your grave. You write, “She said I was not there for her” instead of, “I
wasn’t there for her.” Even now you aren’t willing to get her
communication. Your communication is a covert accusation that she’s lying.
For example: Responsible
(cause) statements would be, "Something about
how I communicate, how I relate, my leadership-communication skills,
unconsciously drove my wife into another’s arms." "I was so
unconscious that I couldn’t see that I was not there for her when she
needed me." "I unconsciously intended my wife to cheat on me so as to force
me to put in (restore) my own integrity." These are examples of responsible communications and a
good start. The truth is you can’t save the marriage. Why? Because it’s not a
marriage. You are holding on to, and trying to fix something (it's
definitely not a marriage) that’s
doesn't work. What you’ll end up with is a fixed something that still won’t
work. What you can do is complete your relationship and then choose how
you wish to relate with her in the future. If you were my son I’d advise you
to stay away from her until she’s completed six months in a row of weekly
therapy/counseling sessions. Look whom she admires and “loves?” She picked someone
who supports her in screwing over you. It doesn’t speak well for his taste
in women either. She's having sex with someone
with questionable values; she can' be absolutely sure he's not having sex
with other women, thereby increasing the chances of transmittable diseases. If it were "love," as she says, then she would
eagerly introduce you both to each other so that you'd both see what she
sees in you two awesome people—that's what honest couples do. If either
meets another who is in fact incredible and truly loving, they want to
share the good find and bring that person into their circle of friends.
A truly loving person is an enroller who expands the circle of friends
automatically, causing all to love each other. Cheaters attract and mirror cheaters.
It’s clear that she has lost her respect for you. There can be no
experience of love when there is no experience of respect. Concept of love
yes, experience, no. How do you recreate respect, assuming it ever was
there? You can’t. Not with her in your life. She was attracted towards you
because you also are deceptive. It's because your cons compliment
each other. If you decide to go straight she will no longer be attracted
toward you because you will fearlessly, and with deservedness, communicate
(lay down the law) how you intend to be related with. She would not put up
with such rules from you. She thrives with men she can manipulate. No
actualized man would date a woman twice in a row if she said, “Oh, by the
way, I’m seeing another man and I’ve accepted a ring from him, and, no I
won’t stop seeing him just because you want me to.” It's called abuse. You are right to be experiencing fear. Your children are going crazy
from all the unhealthy vibes, the lack of happiness, and not having a model for how
to relate successfully. Actually, the damage is already done. Your
responsibility now is to begin the healing process as soon as possible.
Your wife cannot heal as long as she hangs around you. You reward and
reinforce her deviant behaviors rather than inspire her to a life of
integrity. This is partly why the recidivism rate is so high (the number
of parolees who return to prison). Parolees
return to their families and friends who still use the same leadership-communication
model that supported them in not going straight. I recommend that you
read about the
Spouse
Abuse Tutorial,
I say read because you're not eligible to do the free tutorial. To be
eligible you can't be living with/interacting with a partner who is
addicted to abuse. If this is of value please send a reply below. Thanks, Gabby ===================== Reply from Josh: Dear Gabby: #19 Don't you relize [sic] that the only
reason that a woman would cheat on a man is because she really doesn't
love him? Is this a hard concept to understand, people who love each
other don't cheat on one another. Gabby I am amazed at your intellect.
It only took you a couple pages to summarize something that would normally
spoken take less than a few sentences. I know you won't publish this
because it will tear apart your pathetic theory. To everyone out there
who is reading this, if you really want to know how to treat one another
in relationships go askmen.com and read doc loves articles, thankfully we
have at least one person on the net who knows what they are talking about
on relationships. Oh and Gabby, where did you pick up that line-
deceivers always always hang around deceivers? Did you get that quote
from a fortune cookie? -Josh who feels enlightened by his "Gabby"
experience.
Gabby's Response:
Hi Josh: I've been in profound
and intimate communications with thousands of people who have cheated. At
the beginning of each conversation most share their many reasons for
cheating. Without exception each honestly and sincerely believed that their
reasons were the truth. During the conversation they discover that their
reasons were merely reasons. Reasons are what the mind manufactures to
cover up the truth. Under the reasons is the truth of what the cheating
was about. It's never ever what they first said it was.
Also, what happens
towards the end of the conversation, once the truth has been told, again
without exception, they begin to experience the love they said was
not there. It's a moving and touching process. It's not that couples stop
loving each other. It's that their
incompletes (their withholds and
perpetrations) have become barriers to the experience of love. Much like
water on the other side of a faucet. Just because the mind can't see the
love
doesn't mean it, like water, isn't there.
Josh, there is a way to communicate
upset and disagreement without putting down another or calling them names.
If you keep communicating abusively, as in your post, the experience of
love will remain elusive; in other words, your "perfect partner" would not feel good
upon reading it.
Perhaps you could ask someone at askmen.com to
help you compose a post that would allow us both to feel good.
Thanks, Gabby
Check back occasionally for minor edits (last
edited 12/15/12).
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